Manipulating Influence Scores Makes No Sense at All
Posted by Jure KLEPIC on October 13, 2011 in Blog, Influence, Klout, Social Media · 26 Comments
Tags: engagement, ethics, facebook, followers, high scores, influence, klout, klout score, linkedin, online influence, social media, twitter
Hi Jure! The thing about Klout that a lot of people don't understand is that it is essentially a tool to measure Social Media activity, that's being billed as a tool to measure Social Media influence. Personally, I think the real value in Klout is how companies can use it as a tool to identify and connect with 'influencers' in niche topic areas. But even that process is far from perfect, and will need to be improved greatly over time. Great post Jure and love the comments, well done!
I agree Jure, this reminds me of the people who try to game Google (the same ones that complain about the Panda update) in the end those who work hard are the ones who see the reward. I am very greatful for the tips you gave me the other day to help my Klout by playing by the rules. Have a great day!
Hi Karla, Thank you for your comment. As I said engage and share great content and you will rock you Klout. Not over night but on long term :) Jure
Dear Jure, I totally agree with you. Klout is just a number and people shouldn't be defined or juged ( professionnaly in particular) by their Klout number. The influence, like you've mentionned, is the power or ability to affect someone's beliefs or actions. You might only have 10 followers or 10 Facebook friends may those 10 people take seriously what you say and follow your lead. This is my first vist in here and it won't be my last. Nice work and keep on going
Hi Bahia, Thank you for your comment, glad we are having same views. Jure
The harder you try to influence your own Klout score the less you engage with your network in a meaningful way, and thus your score is short lived. It's easy to get agood score, just engage well. Aloha
Hi Erik. Thank you for your comment.
Unfortunately, an influence measure will only measure influence when no one cares about it or looks at it. As soon as it is visible, people begine to game it, and it no longer is an unbiased measurement of influence (and neither is any other source based on the same underlying signals). I agree with Mark, it is important for some people today, but unfortunately its importance has undermined its reliability.
Eric hi, and thank you for commenting! I said many time in past one thing thank Klout really missing is TRANSPARENCY, and till transparency is not in place reliability will be always an open question. Would be nice to see on what people are getting points or scores. Jure
Having a service like Klout give you a high score should be like icing on the cake. Getting the high score should be the result of doing things that influence; we shouldn't influence to get a high score. That's like learning only enough material to get an A on a test. Why are we really in school if not to learn? Well written post. Thank you for sharing the insight.
Thank you for your comment Kayelle!
Great Article. Thanks for sharing!!! “You don't have to be a "person of influence" to be influential. In fact, the most influential people in my life are probably not even aware of the things they've taught me.” Scott Adams
Paul, thank you for sharing a great #quote! Jure
I'm really shocked, in the good sense, with this article. It's clear, concret and a real guide for not to do things because of everyone does. Is it necessary to incease Klout just for ego or for trying to be a person that you are not? Content, good content is the key. Congratulations for the post. Really good.
Thank you Abel for your comment and your support as always. Jure
Hi challenging and sincere. If indulgences were on sale today I'm sure there would be buyers so people are going to try to find an easy way to get into klout's good graces. I guess as klout gets more thorough and as time tells, then the truer level will be found. Having said that, I not only intend to let my klout score do it's own thing, I intend to do my own thing when judging content. It can rule them if they want it that way but I'm going to be a little more reformist in my approach.
Hi Bill and thank you for your comment. I agree with you, we will need to wait and see what Klout will do in the future. I am positive they will have a look into possibility of reducing the gaming part.
Dear Jure, Thank you for taking the time to write this blog post that smacks every twitter users who is trying to game the score. Hopefully more people realizes that even though they want to try to "game" the score, the should do it ethically. LoL! I mean by engaging and earning it. Like I mentioned in Marks blog post on Klout before, klout score will always be the "who got the biggest di** in school", its a popularity thing, and people does use it as a "social proof" even at events. I remember when I attended an event, there were people asking others "what's your klout score". Pretty interesting I must say. For those who had low klout score the event, they'll certainly resort to "gaming" the score before the next even so that they can boast that they have the biggest di** there or like Mark mentioned, social proof. Just like getting more recommendations in linkedin or followers. People will still do it, however long term, it will bite them in their ass for faking it basically "they would suck so much in bed for their insecurities even though they have the biggest........" .... LoL!!
Arron thank you for your comment and like that you bring humour in it. I could not agree more with you.
Hi Jure, I tend to agree with what Mark says in his comment a lot of people don't think it's important, which I I can understand however for me . It might be very useful if I needed to put it in a CV or whatever else. I read somewhere that if you book into a certain hotel you get a better room and more privacy etc purely because of that. Which If I was offered it wouldn't turn down, I suppose there are many sides to the coin in as far as this is concerned. , as far as influence is concerned I'm afraid I don't agree at all if you do something on social media and an action comes about because of that then really you have influenced that person. Because you have created an effect merely by what you have treated or shared if that person continually sees stuff that he likes they may keep retweeting and sharing your stuff now if other people start doing that then you are influencing two people and so on. What if a thousand people retweet something that you post and by accident a book publisher sees your blog and asks you to write a book wouldn'tyou say that is because of a result of influence by other people.
Hi Mark and thank you for your comment. I never said Klout score doesn't matter. It does! Where i disagree with some "Klout experts" is on how to increase your score. Suggesting stealing of blog posts is not way to go. Suggesting you go and buy the followers is as well something that i dont support. Telling people go and RT as much as you can and people will RT you back is simply bull shit. I dont retweet everyone, but i retweet a lot of tweets from people that i follow and found their content in sync with my followers. I am not RT just coz i want to gain more RTs myself. Maybe i am an old school but i do read every post i retweet. Same with the blog posts. I read every post in my tribe before tweeting it out. I know maybe i am just to honest and will bite me in my ass one day :) Now that you mention hotel upgrades, yes i heard that from Klout people, that hotels in Vegas are doing it. But my question is, how they can guarantee that i will not get worst room if my Klout score is to low ? I think to many people and brands are putting to much faith in Klout score and ignoring the important factor of offline recognition as well. For example an Add that Klout had it on facebook few weeks ago, was tasteless even a bit offended. Add was Would you date a person with the lower Klout Score ? So i will leave it here as this is another topic that i might touch in the future :) Again Thank you for stopping by. Jure
I have to agree wholeheartedly with Mark in regards to how, like it or not, Klout matters. People are garnering - and losing opportunities, real life stuff, and the talking is starting based on a Klout score. Where we see eye-to-eye, Jure, is on taking offense to people expecting us to bastardize our LinkedIn recommendations and other social media profiles - just to help them game Klout. This is just plain wrong and borders on abuse our their relationships with us.
A lot of wisdom in this post, Jure. Your influence should be the ends - NOT the means or your entry to "greatness!"
Interesting take on it Jure. Emotionally I agree. Intellectually I don't : ) In the "real world," we make a lot of decisions and assumptions based on social proof. A way somebody is dressed, the car they drive, a diploma in an office. In the online world, we don't have that luxury, and yet we are flooded with information. We need some kind of shortcuts to make assessments about what to do and who to trust. Like it or not, a lot of that assessment comes through the plentiful social badges available on the social web such as followers, tweets and yes, even klout scores. I can say with certainty that more people know my klout score than where I went to school or what I have accomplished in my professional life. These badges do matter. Distasteful, unpopular, but true. My two cents.
Mark, i agree with, yes Klout Score does matter, and after reading your post, i gave Klout another chance. I had no intention to discredit Klout in the post. But I dont agree with gaming of the score either. I wish people would stop listening to BS. Why do we always need to look for shortcuts, when is not needed. I strongly believe that person can discover the niche and start building the community, there is many lists on Twitter that people can find followers based on their interests. Twitter chats are good resources as well. But for someone to suggest to copy posts of others, to use mass following app, just RT others with no interest in subject I personally think is wrong. Doesn't look good for us, specially not when we work in Social Media environment. I got a friend asking me recently if we all abuse the system, and I said No and explain to him why we dont. :) I think there is many natural way to increase the score, but some people just need to understand will not happened overnight. Social Media is work and a hard one. Mark thank you for passing by and sharing your opinion which i value a lot. J.
Hi Jure! The thing about Klout that a lot of people don't understand is that it is essentially a tool to measure Social Media activity, that's being billed as a tool to measure Social Media influence. Personally, I think the real value in Klout is how companies can use it as a tool to identify and connect with 'influencers' in niche topic areas. But even that process is far from perfect, and will need to be improved greatly over time.
Great post Jure and love the comments, well done!
I agree Jure, this reminds me of the people who try to game Google (the same ones that complain about the Panda update) in the end those who work hard are the ones who see the reward. I am very greatful for the tips you gave me the other day to help my Klout by playing by the rules. Have a great day!
Hi Karla,
Thank you for your comment. As I said engage and share great content and you will rock you Klout. Not over night but on long term :)
Jure
Dear Jure, I totally agree with you. Klout is just a number and people shouldn't be defined or juged ( professionnaly in particular) by their Klout number. The influence, like you've mentionned, is the power or ability to affect someone's beliefs or actions. You might only have 10 followers or 10 Facebook friends may those 10 people take seriously what you say and follow your lead.
This is my first vist in here and it won't be my last.
Nice work and keep on going
Hi Bahia,
Thank you for your comment, glad we are having same views.
Jure
The harder you try to influence your own Klout score the less you engage with your network in a meaningful way, and thus your score is short lived. It's easy to get agood score, just engage well.
Aloha
Hi Erik. Thank you for your comment.
Unfortunately, an influence measure will only measure influence when no one cares about it or looks at it. As soon as it is visible, people begine to game it, and it no longer is an unbiased measurement of influence (and neither is any other source based on the same underlying signals).
I agree with Mark, it is important for some people today, but unfortunately its importance has undermined its reliability.
Eric hi, and thank you for commenting! I said many time in past one thing thank Klout really missing is TRANSPARENCY, and till transparency is not in place reliability will be always an open question. Would be nice to see on what people are getting points or scores.
Jure
Having a service like Klout give you a high score should be like icing on the cake. Getting the high score should be the result of doing things that influence; we shouldn't influence to get a high score. That's like learning only enough material to get an A on a test. Why are we really in school if not to learn? Well written post. Thank you for sharing the insight.
Thank you for your comment Kayelle!
Great Article. Thanks for sharing!!!
“You don't have to be a "person of influence" to be influential. In fact, the most influential people in my life are probably not even aware of the things they've taught me.” Scott Adams
Paul, thank you for sharing a great #quote!
Jure
Hi Jure, I tend to agree with what Mark says in his comment a lot of people don't think it's important, which I I can understand however for me . It might be very useful if I needed to put it in a CV or whatever else. I read somewhere that if you book into a certain hotel you get a better room and more privacy etc purely because of that.
Which If I was offered it wouldn't turn down, I suppose there are many sides to the coin in as far as this is concerned. , as far as influence is concerned I'm afraid I don't agree at all if you do something on social media and an action comes about because of that then really you have influenced that person.
Because you have created an effect merely by what you have treated or shared if that person continually sees stuff that he likes they may keep retweeting and sharing your stuff now if other people start doing that then you are influencing two people and so on.
What if a thousand people retweet something that you post and by accident a book publisher sees your blog and asks you to write a book wouldn'tyou say that is because of a result of influence by other people.
Hi Mark and thank you for your comment. I never said Klout score doesn't matter. It does! Where i disagree with some "Klout experts" is on how to increase your score. Suggesting stealing of blog posts is not way to go. Suggesting you go and buy the followers is as well something that i dont support. Telling people go and RT as much as you can and people will RT you back is simply bull shit. I dont retweet everyone, but i retweet a lot of tweets from people that i follow and found their content in sync with my followers. I am not RT just coz i want to gain more RTs myself. Maybe i am an old school but i do read every post i retweet. Same with the blog posts. I read every post in my tribe before tweeting it out. I know maybe i am just to honest and will bite me in my ass one day :)
Now that you mention hotel upgrades, yes i heard that from Klout people, that hotels in Vegas are doing it. But my question is, how they can guarantee that i will not get worst room if my Klout score is to low ?
I think to many people and brands are putting to much faith in Klout score and ignoring the important factor of offline recognition as well. For example an Add that Klout had it on facebook few weeks ago, was tasteless even a bit offended. Add was Would you date a person with the lower Klout Score ?
So i will leave it here as this is another topic that i might touch in the future :)
Again Thank you for stopping by.
Jure
I'm really shocked, in the good sense, with this article. It's clear, concret and a real guide for not to do things because of everyone does. Is it necessary to incease Klout just for ego or for trying to be a person that you are not? Content, good content is the key. Congratulations for the post. Really good.
Thank you Abel for your comment and your support as always.
Jure
Hi challenging and sincere. If indulgences were on sale today I'm sure there would be buyers so people are going to try to find an easy way to get into klout's good graces. I guess as klout gets more thorough and as time tells, then the truer level will be found. Having said that, I not only intend to let my klout score do it's own thing, I intend to do my own thing when judging content. It can rule them if they want it that way but I'm going to be a little more reformist in my approach.
Hi Bill and thank you for your comment. I agree with you, we will need to wait and see what Klout will do in the future. I am positive they will have a look into possibility of reducing the gaming part.
Dear Jure,
Thank you for taking the time to write this blog post that smacks every twitter users who is trying to game the score. Hopefully more people realizes that even though they want to try to "game" the score, the should do it ethically. LoL! I mean by engaging and earning it.
Like I mentioned in Marks blog post on Klout before, klout score will always be the "who got the biggest di** in school", its a popularity thing, and people does use it as a "social proof" even at events. I remember when I attended an event, there were people asking others "what's your klout score". Pretty interesting I must say. For those who had low klout score the event, they'll certainly resort to "gaming" the score before the next even so that they can boast that they have the biggest di** there or like Mark mentioned, social proof. Just like getting more recommendations in linkedin or followers. People will still do it, however long term, it will bite them in their ass for faking it basically "they would suck so much in bed for their insecurities even though they have the biggest........" .... LoL!!
Arron thank you for your comment and like that you bring humour in it. I could not agree more with you.
I have to agree wholeheartedly with Mark in regards to how, like it or not, Klout matters. People are garnering - and losing opportunities, real life stuff, and the talking is starting based on a Klout score.
Where we see eye-to-eye, Jure, is on taking offense to people expecting us to bastardize our LinkedIn recommendations and other social media profiles - just to help them game Klout. This is just plain wrong and borders on abuse our their relationships with us.
A lot of wisdom in this post, Jure. Your influence should be the ends - NOT the means or your entry to "greatness!"
Interesting take on it Jure. Emotionally I agree. Intellectually I don't : )
In the "real world," we make a lot of decisions and assumptions based on social proof. A way somebody is dressed, the car they drive, a diploma in an office.
In the online world, we don't have that luxury, and yet we are flooded with information. We need some kind of shortcuts to make assessments about what to do and who to trust. Like it or not, a lot of that assessment comes through the plentiful social badges available on the social web such as followers, tweets and yes, even klout scores.
I can say with certainty that more people know my klout score than where I went to school or what I have accomplished in my professional life. These badges do matter. Distasteful, unpopular, but true.
My two cents.
Mark, i agree with, yes Klout Score does matter, and after reading your post, i gave Klout another chance. I had no intention to discredit Klout in the post. But I dont agree with gaming of the score either. I wish people would stop listening to BS. Why do we always need to look for shortcuts, when is not needed. I strongly believe that person can discover the niche and start building the community, there is many lists on Twitter that people can find followers based on their interests. Twitter chats are good resources as well. But for someone to suggest to copy posts of others, to use mass following app, just RT others with no interest in subject I personally think is wrong. Doesn't look good for us, specially not when we work in Social Media environment. I got a friend asking me recently if we all abuse the system, and I said No and explain to him why we dont. :)
I think there is many natural way to increase the score, but some people just need to understand will not happened overnight. Social Media is work and a hard one.
Mark thank you for passing by and sharing your opinion which i value a lot.
J.














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